Comments on: New law demands bloggers to be journalists in Italy, prison as penalty http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/ Just another WordPress site Fri, 30 Sep 2011 03:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Musca http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-526 John Musca Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:13:17 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-526 Bloggers are not journalists in general, except for what we report about our own lives, and then there is no verification, there is no fact-check, there is no responsibility to anyone but ourselves. To compare bloggers in general to the print newsmedia is just… apples and oranges. Now, bloggers who report the news? Sure. Hold them to account, ask the big questions. But the woman in Sheboygan writing about her pansies? She could n’t care less about her “mandate” or the “group voice” or “undermining the mass media.” She’s just telling stories the way her grandmother did. It’s just that now — and this seems impossibly lovely to me — others can benefit besides her intimates, if they wish. It may be amateurish, but giving individuals a voice is never a bad thing. Source: Scott Rosenberg’s Links & Comment, “Blogs: threat or menace?” Bloggers are not journalists in general, except for what we report about our own lives, and then there is no verification, there is no fact-check, there is no responsibility to anyone but ourselves. To compare bloggers in general to the print newsmedia is just… apples and oranges. Now, bloggers who report the news? Sure. Hold them to account, ask the big questions. But the woman in Sheboygan writing about her pansies? She could n’t care less about her “mandate” or the “group voice” or “undermining the mass media.” She’s just telling stories the way her grandmother did. It’s just that now — and this seems impossibly lovely to me — others can benefit besides her intimates, if they wish.

It may be amateurish, but giving individuals a voice is never a bad thing.

Source: Scott Rosenberg’s Links & Comment, “Blogs: threat or menace?”

]]> By: tim http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-525 tim Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:53:35 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-525 <p>This is typical italian law! It is not about going to jail but to squeeze more money from common people to pay even more the best paid politicians in the world and in the galaxy as well. So to write a few words you have to open your own company, spend 2000-3000€/year in taxes, insurance, bookkeeping... It is not imporant that you do not earn anything or maybe few hundred bucks from adsense. So it is there to shut you up in democratic way, and to get more money for the bureaucracy.</p> This is typical italian law! It is not about going to jail but to squeeze more money from common people to pay even more the best paid politicians in the world and in the galaxy as well. So to write a few words you have to open your own company, spend 2000-3000€/year in taxes, insurance, bookkeeping… It is not imporant that you do not earn anything or maybe few hundred bucks from adsense. So it is there to shut you up in democratic way, and to get more money for the bureaucracy.

]]> By: guioconnor http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-523 guioconnor Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:47:20 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-523 @Former Inmate - Hi, Well, I have to agree with you that this law is beyond any reasonable thought, but this is one of the strange things here in Italy, there are certain laws that just can't be enforced and this is one of them. So as terrible as it might seem, I don't believe anyone will ever go to jail for blog here, it's plain stupid. @Former Inmate – Hi, Well, I have to agree with you that this law is beyond any reasonable thought, but this is one of the strange things here in Italy, there are certain laws that just can’t be enforced and this is one of them.

So as terrible as it might seem, I don’t believe anyone will ever go to jail for blog here, it’s plain stupid.

]]> By: Former Inmate http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-522 Former Inmate Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:40:15 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-522 As somebody who has actually done some time in jail I have to say that this is ridiculous - I'm glad that as crazy as the laws here in the US seem at times they are better than some alternatives (I'm looking at you, Italy). As somebody who has actually done some time in jail I have to say that this is ridiculous – I’m glad that as crazy as the laws here in the US seem at times they are better than some alternatives (I’m looking at you, Italy).

]]> By: guioconnor http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-519 guioconnor Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:41:18 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-519 An addednum, <a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece" rel="nofollow">the opinion of Bernhard Warner</a> on the Times Online. An addednum, the opinion of Bernhard Warner on the Times Online.

]]> By: guioconnor http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-518 guioconnor Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:59:16 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-518 @ses5909 - It is a clear sign of politicians that think they should control everything if I may say, very scary. I don't thing the blogs you read are really going to shut, but it is good to say it aloud that we don't want it to happen :-) @ses5909 – It is a clear sign of politicians that think they should control everything if I may say, very scary.

I don’t thing the blogs you read are really going to shut, but it is good to say it aloud that we don’t want it to happen :-)

]]> By: ses5909 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-517 ses5909 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:45:46 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-517 This kind of ruling is pretty over-the-top and completely unnecessary if you ask me. This law would kill several blogs I read. This kind of ruling is pretty over-the-top and completely unnecessary if you ask me. This law would kill several blogs I read.

]]> By: guioconnor http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-516 guioconnor Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:16 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-516 @Adam Mckerlie - <blockquote>They obviously can't expect to fully enforce it and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.</blockquote> @little brother - <blockquote>A law to be ignored. A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates?</blockquote> Yes, I could use a VPN instead, so I don't need to blog through a terminal, but as you said, it doesn't seem necessary :-) Is the moral question that is the problem. @Adam Mckerlie –
They obviously can’t expect to fully enforce it and it doesn’t seem to serve any purpose.

@little brother –

A law to be ignored.

A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;) . Has anybody said socrates?

Yes, I could use a VPN instead, so I don’t need to blog through a terminal, but as you said, it doesn’t seem necessary :-)

Is the moral question that is the problem.

]]> By: little brother http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-515 little brother Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:46 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-515 A law to be ignored. A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates? A law to be ignored.

A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;) . Has anybody said socrates?

]]> By: Adam Mckerlie http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-514 Adam Mckerlie Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:22:03 +0000 http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-514 I'm glad I live in Canada where we don't have any laws like this. Why would the Italian Gov't even try to do this? They obviously can't expect to fully enforce it and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose. I’m glad I live in Canada where we don’t have any laws like this. Why would the Italian Gov’t even try to do this? They obviously can’t expect to fully enforce it and it doesn’t seem to serve any purpose.

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