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	<title>Comments on: New law demands bloggers to be journalists in Italy, prison as penalty</title>
	<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/</link>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Former Inmate - Hi, Well, I have to agree with you that this law is beyond any reasonable thought, but this is one of the strange things here in Italy, there are certain laws that just can't be enforced and this is one of them.

So as terrible as it might seem, I don't believe anyone will ever go to jail for blog here, it's plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Former Inmate - Hi, Well, I have to agree with you that this law is beyond any reasonable thought, but this is one of the strange things here in Italy, there are certain laws that just can&#8217;t be enforced and this is one of them.</p>
<p>So as terrible as it might seem, I don&#8217;t believe anyone will ever go to jail for blog here, it&#8217;s plain stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Inmate</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Inmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As somebody who has actually done some time in jail I have to say that this is ridiculous - I'm glad that as crazy as the laws here in the US seem at times they are better than some alternatives (I'm looking at you, Italy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As somebody who has actually done some time in jail I have to say that this is ridiculous - I&#8217;m glad that as crazy as the laws here in the US seem at times they are better than some alternatives (I&#8217;m looking at you, Italy).</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-722</guid>
		<description>An addednum, &lt;a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece" rel="nofollow"&gt;the opinion of Bernhard Warner&lt;/a&gt; on the Times Online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An addednum, <a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece">the opinion of Bernhard Warner</a> on the Times Online.</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ses5909 - It is a clear sign of politicians that think they should control everything if I may say, very scary. 

I don't thing the blogs you read are really going to shut, but it is good to say it aloud that we don't want it to happen :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ses5909 - It is a clear sign of politicians that think they should control everything if I may say, very scary. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t thing the blogs you read are really going to shut, but it is good to say it aloud that we don&#8217;t want it to happen :-)</p>
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		<title>By: ses5909</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>ses5909</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of ruling is pretty over-the-top and completely unnecessary if you ask me. This law would kill several blogs I read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of ruling is pretty over-the-top and completely unnecessary if you ask me. This law would kill several blogs I read.</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-661</guid>
		<description>@Adam Mckerlie - &lt;blockquote&gt;They obviously can't expect to fully enforce it and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@little brother - &lt;blockquote&gt;A law to be ignored.

A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I could use a VPN instead, so I don't need to blog through a terminal, but as you said, it doesn't seem necessary :-)

Is the moral question that is the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam Mckerlie -<br />
<blockquote>They obviously can&#8217;t expect to fully enforce it and it doesn&#8217;t seem to serve any purpose.</p></blockquote>
<p>@little brother -<br />
<blockquote>A law to be ignored.</p>
<p>A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a <acronym title="Secure SHell (encrypted protocol replaces telnet and FTP)">SSH</acronym> connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I could use a VPN instead, so I don&#8217;t need to blog through a terminal, but as you said, it doesn&#8217;t seem necessary :-)</p>
<p>Is the moral question that is the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: little brother</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>little brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A law to be ignored.

A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a ssh connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A law to be ignored.</p>
<p>A pretty much secure way to do that is to open a <acronym title="Secure SHell (encrypted protocol replaces telnet and FTP)">SSH</acronym> connection and use it as a proxy. The server should be in another country, like Brazil ;). Has anybody said socrates?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Mckerlie</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Mckerlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad I live in Canada where we don't have any laws like this.  Why would the Italian Gov't even try to do this?  They obviously can't expect to fully enforce it and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I live in Canada where we don&#8217;t have any laws like this.  Why would the Italian Gov&#8217;t even try to do this?  They obviously can&#8217;t expect to fully enforce it and it doesn&#8217;t seem to serve any purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pelf - &lt;blockquote&gt;... so that they could be monitored beats the purpose of promoting freedom of speech in a fully-democratic country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. Democracy, roughly speaking, means that we elect a government to represent our will. While it is a simplistic definition addresses the point that politicians are not there to control people thoughts and expressions since you need them to elect politicians in the first place.

@Jen / domestika - &lt;blockquote&gt;It always amazes me when governments propse laws that are clearly not enforceable...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, I would even add: even if it were enforceable, how can you make a country walk forward when you put into jail a considerable for just not fulfilling bureaucratic requirements.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am not sure what the legislative process is in Italy(...) It seems unlikely that anyone could expect such a bill to be passed(...)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Neither I am, I moved to Italy just a few months ago. But seems correct that there is something behind this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pelf -<br />
<blockquote>&#8230; so that they could be monitored beats the purpose of promoting freedom of speech in a fully-democratic country.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. Democracy, roughly speaking, means that we elect a government to represent our will. While it is a simplistic definition addresses the point that politicians are not there to control people thoughts and expressions since you need them to elect politicians in the first place.</p>
<p>@Jen / domestika -<br />
<blockquote>It always amazes me when governments propse laws that are clearly not enforceable&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, I would even add: even if it were enforceable, how can you make a country walk forward when you put into jail a considerable for just not fulfilling bureaucratic requirements.</p>
<p>I am not sure what the legislative process is in Italy(&#8230;) It seems unlikely that anyone could expect such a bill to be passed(&#8230;)</p>
<p>Neither I am, I moved to Italy just a few months ago. But seems correct that there is something behind this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen / domestika</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen / domestika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always amazes me when governments propse laws that are clearly not enforceable...  

I am not sure what the legislative process is in Italy, but it sounds like what happened on Oct 12 was that the draft law was, as we in Canada, would say, approved to "go forward to the House" [for voting by members of Parliament]. Is that more-or-less right?  

It seems unlikely that anyone could expect such a bill to be passed by elected representatives, or that such a law could possibly be enforced if it were to be enacted. 

There has to be something else behind this -- I'll bet there is another planned piece of legislation, for which this one is a "trial balloon": 
Get everyone in an uproar by proposing an extreme piece of legislation, then withdraw or amend it -- and another, slightly less repressive, similar law is likely to slip through quite easily, without a loud public outcry, because it seems so benign by comparison.

What do you think of that theory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always amazes me when governments propse laws that are clearly not enforceable&#8230;  </p>
<p>I am not sure what the legislative process is in Italy, but it sounds like what happened on Oct 12 was that the draft law was, as we in Canada, would say, approved to &#8220;go forward to the House&#8221; [for voting by members of Parliament]. Is that more-or-less right?  </p>
<p>It seems unlikely that anyone could expect such a bill to be passed by elected representatives, or that such a law could possibly be enforced if it were to be enacted. </p>
<p>There has to be something else behind this &#8212; I&#8217;ll bet there is another planned piece of legislation, for which this one is a &#8220;trial balloon&#8221;:<br />
Get everyone in an uproar by proposing an extreme piece of legislation, then withdraw or amend it &#8212; and another, slightly less repressive, similar law is likely to slip through quite easily, without a loud public outcry, because it seems so benign by comparison.</p>
<p>What do you think of that theory?</p>
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		<title>By: pelf</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>pelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Guilty of what? Isn’t this a democracy?"

Exactly! A lot of Malaysian bloggers blogged against the "suggested law", mostly on the grounds that requiring bloggers to register so that they could be monitored beats the purpose of promoting freedom of speech in a fully-democratic country.

But then we all know that there's no way the Government could "monitor" the bloggers. There are far more important issues that needed to be tackled urgently than tracking down bloggers, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Guilty of what? Isn’t this a democracy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly! A lot of Malaysian bloggers blogged against the &#8220;suggested law&#8221;, mostly on the grounds that requiring bloggers to register so that they could be monitored beats the purpose of promoting freedom of speech in a fully-democratic country.</p>
<p>But then we all know that there&#8217;s no way the Government could &#8220;monitor&#8221; the bloggers. There are far more important issues that needed to be tackled urgently than tracking down bloggers, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pelf - Blogging this days, is like speaking in a normal tone of voice in a bar, where other people can hear you. One thing is to be a media professional, a different thing is to be a regular blogger.

I do think it is absurd to require bloggers to register, but I find it even more absurd to have a prison instead of a fine as a penalty.

Not registering as a blogger is treated closer to the case of a doctor with unethical behavior than not paying your car plate fee.

Moreover, in theory, you can go to jail if you don't control what your blog show. This is a serious attack over freedom of speech.

Seems than you have to enable comment moderation and enforce censorship yourself, or be considered as "guilty" as the author comment, or more.

By the way... Guilty of what? Isn't this a democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pelf - Blogging this days, is like speaking in a normal tone of voice in a bar, where other people can hear you. One thing is to be a media professional, a different thing is to be a regular blogger.</p>
<p>I do think it is absurd to require bloggers to register, but I find it even more absurd to have a prison instead of a fine as a penalty.</p>
<p>Not registering as a blogger is treated closer to the case of a doctor with unethical behavior than not paying your car plate fee.</p>
<p>Moreover, in theory, you can go to jail if you don&#8217;t control what your blog show. This is a serious attack over freedom of speech.</p>
<p>Seems than you have to enable comment moderation and enforce censorship yourself, or be considered as &#8220;guilty&#8221; as the author comment, or more.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230; Guilty of what? Isn&#8217;t this a democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: pelf</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>pelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while ago such a law was also proposed in Malaysia. That was when the Government sued two Malaysian bloggers — it was the first time bloggers were sued by the Malaysian Government.

But of course, after all those talks of registering Malaysian bloggers as well as bloggers whose blogs are registered with any Malaysian company, we hear nothing more after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago such a law was also proposed in Malaysia. That was when the Government sued two Malaysian bloggers — it was the first time bloggers were sued by the Malaysian Government.</p>
<p>But of course, after all those talks of registering Malaysian bloggers as well as bloggers whose blogs are registered with any Malaysian company, we hear nothing more after that.</p>
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		<title>By: guioconnor</title>
		<link>http://www.z-oc.com/blog/2007/10/new-law-demands-bloggers-to-be-journalists-in-italy-prision-as-penalty/#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>guioconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anna - &lt;blockquote&gt;This law is an absurd indeed! Next step is to demand a visa for the people who wants to leave the country...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope this is not as close as it indeed seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anna -<br />
<blockquote>This law is an absurd indeed! Next step is to demand a visa for the people who wants to leave the country&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope this is not as close as it indeed seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This law is an absurd indeed! Next step is to demand a visa for the people who wants to leave the country...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This law is an absurd indeed! Next step is to demand a visa for the people who wants to leave the country&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;that will be in the illegality from one moment to the next and those who (hopefully) will refuse to accept this.Apply it to a foreign blogger that writes in his blog while he visits ItalyApply it to an Italian blogger writing on a blog completelyunrelated to Italy&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>that will be in the illegality from one moment to the next and those who (hopefully) will refuse to accept this.Apply it to a foreign blogger that writes in his blog while he visits ItalyApply it to an Italian blogger writing on a blog completelyunrelated to Italy</p>
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		<title>By:  DragonFlyEye.Net » Rochester Entertainment and Progressive Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator> DragonFlyEye.Net » Rochester Entertainment and Progressive Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Zo’C » New law demands bloggers to be journalists in Italy, prison as penaltyApparently there is a new law in Italy that demands a Blogger or web publisher to be registered with the government and pay a fee, even if your blog doesn’t have anything to do with making money, that applies to a teenager writing on his/her hobby as&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>Zo’C » New law demands bloggers to be journalists in Italy, prison as penaltyApparently there is a new law in Italy that demands a Blogger or web publisher to be registered with the government and pay a fee, even if your blog doesn’t have anything to do with making money, that applies to a teenager writing on his/her hobby as</p>
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